So,you are for the independent self determination of the people of Tibet, Good. Do you then condemn the PRC oppression of the people of Tibet?

of course I do. The Chinese government is one of the most oppressive government in the world. Why did you think I left China?

The oppressed have the inalienable right to obliterate their oppressors.

With nuclear weapons? Without any regard to civilian casualty? You gotta be fucking kidding me.

@114

I'd nuke the motherfuckers.

Now we are talking. And don't tell me about "collateral damage".

Can you get any crazier?

@104

I totally agree with you that some forms of government are better than others. And I do oppose many policies of the Chinese government. As a matter of fact, that's why I am now a Canadian citizen.

What I am having problem with is Takuan's inane question: "What does China offer to the world?" Since no governments actually have anything meaningful to offer the world, I can only assume he was talking about the Chinese people, whichever definition you may choose. The Chinese people, like any other people in the world, had and still have a lot to offer to the world. So I have no idea what he was implying. Again, I might be reading too much into this. And he hasn't offered any explanation.

As for Tibet, I am all for their independence. In fact, I am for the independence of any group of people, if they so choose, just as a matter of principle. The smaller the government, the better.

If my interpretation of your definition of "China" is correct, then the answer to your original question is simple. What does China, i.e. the Chinese government, offer to the world? The answer: it offers the same thing all governments offer -- absolutely nothing. Nothing positive, anyway.

The question was simply redundant, and possibly misleading.

Also, your faith in democracy is misplaced. Democratic governments are equally capable of war and destruction as the evil communists. I think someone already mentioned Viet Nam, and I already mentioned Iraq. And let's not forget WWII.

Anyway, what do you suggest as the possible solution to the possible threat of the Chinese overrunning the world?

I believe that was your definition of "China", i.e. you define "China" as the current government of the nation of China. It cannot be the definition of "the Chinese" because then the phrase "the average Chinese" would make no sense.

Sorry about splitting words, but I feel it's important to define our terms precisely in order to understand each other.

Err, I thought I was asking you, since you have been using that term yourself. So, again, what do you mean by "China" when you ask "What does China offer to the world?" What do you mean by "the average Chinese"?

@93

Then what do you mean by "China" when you ask "What does China offer to the world?" Do you mean "the few individuals that steer the current government of the nation of China"? Do you mean those who claim to be citizens of the PRC? Or do you mean only the Han? That can't be it, since according to you, "race" does not exist.

I assume by "China", you mean the nation of China, which includes its people, which we may call "the Chinese". So what is your definition of the "Chinese"? Or "the average Chinese", as you say?

@89

Very clever, Chris. Good boy.

@90/83

Why do you refer to the Chinese people as useless?

Quote:

"I have asked on many occasions: What does China offer to the world? Fraternity? Democracy? Respect for our common environment? Some valuable spiritual teaching? An socio-economic system that truly benefits all? What?"

It appears to me that you are the one who was implying the Chinese are useless.

Why do you suggest killing them? As for suggesting they all be destroyed, I must ask where you begin from to get this mindset?

From your post? I shall quote you again:

"What next? Will China's population be suddenly sharply limited? Will growth cease? Will the ravenous demand for resources vanish?"

OMG! The Chinese are coming! The Chinese are coming! What shall we do?

What are your suggestions?

@86

I believe it's called "sarcasm".

@ #85

There is nothing wrong with pointing out that the average Chinese suffer from tribalism. Hell, we all do, to some degree. What I don't understand is the paragraph of (rhetorical?) questions I quoted above. What is he trying to say? What is he implying? Maybe I am reading too much into his ramblings, but it was him who appears to be implying that China has nothing to "offer to the world". I am simply pointing out the absurdity of it all. Go back and read #81 again. What is he suggesting?

I will give a calm and reasoned reply if I a responding to a calm, reasoned post.

@ #81 by TAKUAN:

Quote:
“ I have asked on many occasions: What does China offer to the world? Fraternity? Democracy? Respect for our common environment? Some valuable spiritual teaching? An socio-economic system that truly benefits all? What? ”

And your answer is? And if you think China has nothing to offer the world, what do you suggest that we do with all these useless Chinese people? Shall we bomb them to oblivion, like the US has done to Iraq? Shall we offer them the gift of democracy, even if we have to kill a few million of them, or a billion? After all, the average Chinese "subscribe to a world view where any outside the tribe are secondary, lesser and can be destroyed without sin", so they themselves should be destroyed, right? Right???

Geez, just listen to yourself. The self-righteousness and hypocrisy stink to high heaven. Get a hold on yourself before you fall off your high horse. What a load of horse manure.

The reason we should get rid of the Constitution is because it limits freedom

I don't think that's the same Constitution I am reading.

Why are you and I beholden to the ideas of dead white men who lived hundreds of years ago?

Because some ideas are universal and timeless?

America has very, very deep problems, and many of them are only now coming to the surface.

And one of the reasons for some of these problems is that the Constitution has been ignored for a long time.

Why don't we just bomb them? It worked so well in Iraq...

#20

"The Constitution will be just fine ...."

I think what you meant to say was: "The Constitution is already dead."