"It's not trampling on civil liberties if I require you not to urinate on people in public. And this is far more damaging to me than if you just peed on me."

If you think a bar is a public place you really have no idea how property works. A bar is as much a public place as my house is.

A public place is a place funded by the government.

I have absolutely no problem with banning smoking in government buildings. The problem I have is with the government banning consenting adults from participating in activities that take place on PRIVATE property.

I still don't get how BB readers are such strong civil liberties supporters, but they don't support people being allowed to smoke, or property owners allowing people to smoke on their personal property. Sure, smoking is retarded, but it's not your body getting hurt unless you choose to eat/drink/work at an establishment that allows smoking. If you don't want to be exposed to smoke, don't eat/drink/smoke at places that allow smoking.

I support these bar owners. Fight dumb laws with dumb loopholes.