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nilesgibbs

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That Violet Blue thing

July 20, 2008 9:09pm

I agree, and honestly admit to having removed things from my own blogs in the past for personal reasons, though nothing I've made has reached Boing Boing tier.

In this whole "controversy", I think it's simplest to say that people were crying out with Big Brother concerns, when this is more Ceiling Cat caliber.

Less "double plus unpublish" and more "I can has retrakshun?"

That Violet Blue thing

July 20, 2008 7:36pm

As I said, if the original Declaration of Independence was destroyed, it'd be a symbolic loss, but it wouldn't affect the availability of it's cultural impact on future generations.

Sure, when the main source of a work destroys their original copy, it can make finding the work inconvenient, and can be very upsetting, but in this day and age, it's really hard to get rid of something that's popular.

I too, am upset that they'd remove their original copies, and I agree that they could have handled the disclosure much better.

I am also regularly neurotic with worry about the loss of culture. I'm native Hawaiian and fully mourn the loss of cultural information that occurred when the Missionaries came (both by the Missionaries and the Hawaiians themselves who had predicted the the coming of a "superior" culture and had gone about dismantling their own).

But the loss on the BB server did not destroy the BB works. A real "unpublishing" of something with a strong cultural/historical influence that is available online is nigh impossible.

The only real way, at this point, of removing something from wide circulation would be to destroy the infrastructure that supported that circulation.

To destroy the work completely would mean not only the network, but all of the mirrors, caches, hard copies, etc.

I think then that we've more to fear from those electronic munching crazy rasberry ants than from Xeni's editorial decisions.

That Violet Blue thing

July 20, 2008 6:34pm

It's sad that this has blown up so much.

BB has always been vocally supportive of open and free culture. Removing posts from BB itself doesn't conflict with that, as it is their right as owners of the site to control what copies of their posts are available here.

Xeni's example of her father burning his own paintings maps well onto this situation. From what I understand, he destroyed works that he had created but never released into society at large, and so there was no attack on culture. And in the case that those paintings had been published publicly, he still has the right to destroy his own personal copies.

The only "wrong thing" he could have done would be to publish his works into public consumption, thereby making them a part of our culture, then go out later and destroy every copy that existed. Without *all* of those circumstances, he's in the clear, in my mind, from a "Free Culture" standpoint.

Now for this controversy, we have a collection of works (posts) that are published online at BB for the public at large, and have without question become a part of our culture. Now, if these works existed only on BB's servers, and they deleted them, that would wrong as it would be destroying every copy that existed.

But if you actually read BB, you'll know that the nature of the Internet doesn't allow for things to disappear. Cory's been chanting it for years: "There is no future in which bits become harder to copy." There are copies of BB everywhere, in fact, it would be near impossible to do the "wrong thing" and destroy every copy to wipe it from our cultural log.

Hell, even traditional newspaper's couldn't easily "unpublish" something, unless they could recall every newspaper they printed. Arguing that they're "the public record" is moot point, because they couldn't unpublish even if they wanted to. The "public record" argument was more valid 200 years ago, when a publisher had a more reasonable chance of destroying every copy that existed of their work.

People are only confused (and then angry) because they can't separate the BB server from the BB content. The BB server contains but one visible copy of each post, the original copy to be sure, but just one copy.

If someone destroyed the Declaration of Independence, it'd have no effect on future generations benefiting from its text. Sure, symbolically, it'd be a big loss, but it's not like then all of the other copies would "unpublish".


The only metrics that matter form a positive relationship: how many people are influenced by it and how many copies are available.

The more people that are influenced by a work, the more important that all of the copies aren't destroyed. As the internet quickly and efficiently copies popular works everywhere, the less it matters that any one copy is destroyed.

BB could pull the plug on their site right now, and we'd still have copies of everything available.

Copyright renewal records for US books finally online

June 25, 2008 2:32am

Now that I've actually looked at it, it's like, come on Google! Where's the custom Google copyright search? If they spent as much time on it as they claimed they did, why not go the extra couple hours and auto-import this into a wiki/blog/cms somewhere so then Google can index it?

Copyright renewal records for US books finally online

June 24, 2008 11:51pm

Simply wonderful!

Cody's Books of Berkeley, RIP

June 21, 2008 11:56am

I went to Cal and spent probably 70% of my free time in the used bookstores.

It's sad that Cody's is closing, but I was never really impressed with the store anyway. Not a lot of selection. Once a light bulb burned out in a nearby section (not the one I was in, a few rows down) and they asked me to leave the store because it was dark over there.

I assumed that they did it to stop people from stealing anything until the light was fixed, but once I was outside I noticed that no one else was being asked to leave.

Moe's on the other hand, relieved me of much of my income, and I never failed to find something awesome. Them and Rasputin's.

50 Years of LEGO: Nine Sets I Have Known and Loved

February 20, 2008 6:37pm

I loved the castle, pirate, and space sets.

Of those listed, I had Black Seas Barracuda(Probably my all time favorite). and Mega Core Magetizer.

I loved the King's Mountain Fortress.

Woman's lower half as wooden end table

February 4, 2008 11:49am

@3: Fra-gee-lay. That must be Italian.

Fluxx -- Nomic card game

January 29, 2008 12:10pm

I loved playing Fluxx back in college, but had completely forgotten the name. Thanks BB!

Is Comcast really blocking P2P? EFF + SF Weekly conclude: yeah.

January 24, 2008 12:50am

I've been using Comcast for over a year without any seeding problems, except for a disproportionate upload/download speed ratio.

I use encryption and cap the upload speed for my own browsing convenience though.

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