While the Lesser Tits continue to deny Global Warming.

True. Troll and Timewaster.

If Truth really mattered to you, you would stop with quoting suspect sources and examine the problem with your own body.

The CIA funded covert activities all over the world against Communism. Harrier? Godwin's law. You lose.

"the flip side of your argument is that the Dalai Lama's people continue to serve the CIA's interests."

You really are an idiot aren't you?

There are many abbots of many important monasteries, and other heads of other streams of Tibetan Buddhism who also have opinions.

Samding Dorle Phagmo is also a highly placed regional government official. She is spouting the party line. without specifics, it's just a song.

More complete quote

""The sins of the Dalai Lama and his followers seriously violate the basic teachings and precepts of Buddhism and seriously damage traditional Tibetan Buddhism's normal order and good reputation," the Samding Dorje Phagmo was quoted as saying -- though she did not detail what his transgressions were."

Without specifics, this "sins of the Dalai Lama" is Party cant.

"Last October, when the Congressional Gold Medal was awarded to the Dalai Lama, monks in Tibet watched over the Internet and celebrated by setting off fireworks and throwing barley flour. They were quickly arrested."

There's a fact.

Poor China. Losing face whenever someone criticises. Well, if you want to play the international superpower game, get used to it.

So the article basically concludes with "It's over. Stop fighting. Surrender.

I haven't looked at your link yet, and I do not ignore facts. There has yet been no disputation that Parenti has an agenda, subtle, but a point of view he wants you to conclude. No disputation yet that his own sources are biased. But he sure does have good footnotes.

OOoooH footnotes! He has footnotes! How truthful and accurate is your opinion when it is is based on skewed opinions anyway.
Hmmm! But I have footnotes!

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/shr0468l.jpg

"Schrei's title says he thinks you can ignore "far leftists," "

No, his title suggests that there is a untrustworthy bias, and that likely the 'facts' have been skewed towards proving a point.

Shrei isn't writing a history - however biased. he is writing an essay critical of Parenti. Parenti's essay should be footnote and reference enough.

Parenti offers sources with an obvious bias and no actual research, Schrei suggests that people who want to write history should actually talk to the people they're writing about.

Just because he uses the text string "far left" in the title of the essay doesn't mean he is far right.

And your CIA comment (same old same old) has nothing to do with the present-day more aggressive response now in the context of the time frame Think posits.

Oh, I know. "Face". Invade, oppress, murder, torture exploit - just look good while you're doing it.

China, show me your face before you were born.

As to the peaceful Buddhists, perhaps that's why there is now a more aggressive group undertaking the struggle.

Can't beat 'em so might as well join 'em.?: The argument of the bully.

What does "Race" have to do with it? Godwin's Law. You lose.

What does China's "Face" have to do with it?

"as for "A Lie Repeated - The Far Left’s Flawed History of Tibet," the title itself reveals the bias."

And "Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth" does not?

"Schrei's argument is essentially that these historians were far leftists, so they should be ignored."

No, he says they were far leftists, that they could not be trusted to provide objective reportage, and have a bias towards proving a point, which Parenti adopts.

try the fourth link n that page
http://www.studentsforafreetibet.org/article.php?id=425

Will, you can begin to look here:

http://www.studentsforafreetibet.org/search.php?q=parenti&q.x=0&q.y=0

I haven't read it, but I *suspect* as it comes from the Students for a Free Tibet site, you'll be able to find some refutations and arguments.

And as that took less than three minutes with Google, I concur. Troll and Time-waster.

"But I don't trust the motives for all the propaganda against China right now. The US is warmongering. They don't like this rival superpower."

If you don't like the tactics, don't play the game.

"Not my country; not my problem."

It's your world.

SquirrelGirl, we're all in this together.

#5, I caught the story in my newsreader. Thought it very ironic all the same. Guess I've been indoctrinated successfully without needing the other aggregate sites.

And I also saw the one of the children sold in to slavery at another factories. Looks like China needs to be Liberated.

It's two androids running a Turing test against each other.

" there's a lot of power and fear in a stick."

The fear and power is yours not the sticks.

No power or fear in the stick.

Zen doesn't use any tools of power or fear.

It's statistics. It must be true.

#67

"Good stance,"

Lotus position

"place the sights"

about three feet in front you, eyes slightly closed

"breathe evenly"

I was LOL ROFL at the WTF cat.

Antinous, #105. I see the PRC as a corporation.

PRC Inc. owns the market - the manpower of China - the cheap labour, and the market of it's billion people - it owns the physical land - it owns the people as commodities. This is what it has learned from Capitalism. From Marxism and Marxism it learned to value of History and the model of revolution. It learned from the Soviet Union, that a swift change is disastrous to the ruling class.

"Also, your faith in democracy is misplaced."

Democracy, the least evil of all the systems. At least there is a means to correct when the path is wrong.

Q: How many pro oppressive Chinese government bloggers does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A: Western media is biased stay out of internal affairs unless you lived in Tibet so you don’t have right to opinion we were a civilization before your country was even found monks made slaves screw in their lightbulbs nobody can deny the truth!

Emma, #14 has got it. Drivers pack the intersection on Yellows hoping to turn left, and they're stranded in the intersection when lights change, blocking traffic flowing across. Delays between lights switching compound this, because there's a short time when lights are red in both directions, and drivers know there's time to sit in the intersection.

Yellow means don't enter the intersection if you can't clear out of it.

Ha Ha Ha... i just now tried to input an entry to follow up Takuan and got the Text wrong error.

BTW, I had a window with the input box, as though I was logged in. Hitting Back, I get just the comments, no text entry box. Log in, I get the text entry box Consequently logging in, I get the text entry box.

"Isn't it about time you bowed down to your new machine overlords?" with "Uhm..." "Uh..." "Sure"

Hmmmm... doesn't that longish band of green along the bottom look kinda like a ... phallus...

#28. Moon. It was.

BoingBoing! Man I hate you guys for finding all the good stuff first!

Yes, she's walking backwards. It's all very beautiful. But isn't it subtle, and you can tell from how her legs and body move that she's walking backwards. She's more upright when moving backwards, than forward walkers are when moving forward. Her hips and legs also move differently, more rotationally, then driving directly back and forth.

Even the Evol short exaggerated or hid much of the body walking bits.

Some good body acting could mask these little problems entirely.

NY Times piece. Seems very balanced to me

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/20/world/asia/20tibet.html?_r=1&ex=1363665600&en=d6ebd0d56e51e3ae&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080318.wtibetdiscussion0318/BNStory/International/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20080318.wtibetdiscussion0318

Interview with Geoffrey York, The Globe And Mail Beijing Bereau chief.

proper cartoon link

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5941550,00.jpg

@40. He does discourage fruitless political agitation. And there are no souls to save. Only sentient beings. Now.

@40. He does discourage fruitless political agitation. And there are no souls to save. Only sentient beings. Now.

Genius cartoon

http://karmacino.com/out.php?title=Cartoons__Daily_Cartoons__The_Australian

or

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5941550,00.jpg

Call out the Army. Suppress dissent and things I'm not interested in.

BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7302021.stm

"Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao has accused the Dalai Lama of masterminding the recent days of demonstrations against Chinese rule in Tibet's capital, Lhasa."

"Mr Wen defended China's handling of the violence, accusing protesters of robbery, arson and violence. He said Tibetan exiles had instigated the violence.

"There is ample fact and plenty of evidence proving this incident was organised, premeditated, masterminded and incited by the Dalai clique," he said.

"This has all the more revealed the consistent claims by the Dalai clique that they pursue not independence, but peaceful dialogue, are nothing but lies."

There is ample fact and plenty of evidence. Mr. Wen, please present this evidence to, oh, say, the Hague, the UN,... Let the world see the evidence. Let the world decide.

I found the previous link from a local-to-my-city site. This is from Digg

http://cryptome.cn/tibet080316/tibet080316.htm

http://cryptome.cn/tibet080315/tibet080315.htm

Page of AP photos. Most recent March 15.

I vote for TOM.

For all the times that American wrong-doing has been used as a justification for China's actions, America was a slave society. It liberated itself.

That bottles were blown by hand, so to speak might have something to do with equivalent capacity.

@114. TOM: Bravo

@114 Tom, Bravo.

Dennis the Menace; Mr. Wilson.

http://dougrogers.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/hujintao.png

BOTONO, we are bound by language to make discriminations. Left-brain likes discrimination and difference.

I'm not so sure that 'energy of the universe' is what she felt. What she felt was her perception. She was in her perception, not that she was a receptor, as that implies separation, a sender and a receiver.

Discrimination and difference is left brain.

She certainly 'felt as one' with the universe, but I don't think that is the same as 'a universal flow of energy' that physicist study. (Maybe that's my left brain :-) and I'm still a bit of a Materialist about this)

Her ability to differentiate was shut down. Her consciousness continued- all the inputs still functioned and tried to make sense of it.

So it is very much like you describe it. That is how left-brain can understand it. Still, it was a real experience, but not outside of herself.

Each informs the other in order to make us whole.

The point is elrohir, that we have two hemisphere's, not just a left hemisphere. There must be some value in having a right hemisphere.

And I think that Jill Bolte Taylor can discriminate between non-dominant brain states and schizo-affective disorders.

Is the energy real or no? Who can say. It's just another way of perceiving it. No less valid.

Kyle, yes, her experience was a result of brain damage but her experience was not madness. It was a result of a temporary suppression of the dominant brain process. Many Buddhist masters throughout history have done the same thing without it being a stroke.

We are connected. We don't exist.

JG, you haven't noticed the burly, bearded, Harley belt-buckle baggage handlers then, have you?

I did somethin like this with text a long time ago.
http://home.golden.net/~samu/Ears/EarFrame.html

That is just gorgeous..

That is just gorgeous..

A long while ago, there was a Libertarian Party convention in our town. A worker was pushing a two wheeled dolly loaded with folded chairs. It caught and the chairs slid off with a great clatter and spilled all over the floor. All the Libertarians who were around the accident stopped and helped pick up the chairs.

Why is Moonbat the only one here arguing the Objectivist side?

Oooops! We missed! Sorry about that Iran...

You techno-minded guys need to use the web for educational purposes. Hmmm... Google... raccoon... diurnal.....

You techno-minded guys need to use the web for educational purposes. Hmmm... Google... raccoon... diurnal.....

Disney Revives House of the Future

http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=e021304A

"Lights and thermostats will automatically adjust when people walk into a room. Closets will help pick out the right dress for a party. Countertops will be able to identify groceries set on them and make menu suggestions."

"What part of the plane being able to take off are you having trouble understanding?"

None. No longer a problem after I stepped outside the frame of reference

So it's seems to be wrong to try to understand why you are wrong :-) ? I do agree the plane will take off, but I didn't understand why the plane will take off. I really hope you're not a teacher.

ITTOOKOFF, really, you aren't reading what I wrote very carefully. Who are you arguing with?

RHB, That's fascinating. No really.

The net is disintermediation. It destroys the old models of distribution, and what it's attacking, and what Japan attacked transistor-wise was the cherished American concept of property, what the Western economy was built on, what made it spread, and what is and will be it's destruction - the concept of concrete objects separate from context.

Nex:

" If you examine them one at a time and manage to come to different conclusions each time, you're doing it wrong."

Exactly! I say as much in my post at http://www.boingboing.net/2008/01/28/mythbusters-tackles.html#comment-116582

"The planes velocity is zero. It will stay at zero velocity until the engines are turned on. Now, due to the imaginary, hypothetical conveyer belt, any forward motion generated - and that forward motion is first applied to the body of the plane, then transmitted to the wheels - is automagically negated - the external force is balanced.

No forward motion, no lift.

However, if you assume :-) Newton's Third Law; For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction - the rocket ship example - then the plane will generate forward thrust despite the hypothetically perfect friction free state.

Forward motion yielding lift."

ITTOOKOFF:

"I hate to quote myself but it bears repeating:
Me: "The wheels of an airplane are not attached to any driving mechanism. "

Me, January 31st http://www.boingboing.net/2008/01/28/mythbusters-tackles.html#comment-116134

"Yes, the forward motion is not generated by the wheels. Take the wheels, treadmill out of the question."

"You ... simply are not understanding the problem.

Yes, and you are telling what I know.

"and in this argument you disqualify yourself from having an opinion."

And you are disqualifying yourself from being able to understand and communicate.

Seriously, I am of the mind that the plane will take off, but intuitively, the first case is/was unresolveable in a way I understood. Newton's third law holds, just like all the others.

Here's the answer:

"It will stay at zero velocity until the engines are turned on."

Newton's third law

"forward motion is first applied to the body of the plane, then transmitted to the wheels - is automagically negated"

There is already a magic conveyer belt beneath the wheels "moving" in an opposite direction to the wheels forward motion - the ground, the tarmac, the runway.

Hold an image in your mind, frame the plane, it's engines roaring and generating thrust, centrally, still in the frame, like a camera panning with the forward movement of the plane and see that the wheels are spinning madly and the ground passing beneath the wheels - like the imaginary conveyer belt - is moving at the same speed as the wheels spin.

Yes, so it's a frame of reference problem.

Do you get it Enginerd?

I've read through this thread, through the previous thread and through the kottke thread. There is this guy Nex, who like you above says the same thing over and over again, just like what you say in the last paragraph above, but persists in providing no justification that alas, poor old me can understand.

Engines provide forward motion A, transferred to wheels. A=A
Conveyer moves backward. -A

A-A = 0

Is A the motion of the plane, the same as A the motion of the wheels.

Explain.

How about this: imagine Magic Masking Tape® holding the plane still so no motion is transmitted; Turn on the conveyer belt going as fast at it can. This transmits motion to the wheels, but not the plane, because it is held still by the Magic Masking Tape® and the bearings and axles are friction free and no energy is transmitted to the plane.

Now turn on the engine.

Me: But you have an intelligent surface here which detects motion and acts against it, negating any motion of the wheels.
Nex: would it do that? Grab the wheels and glue them in place?

That's essentially what the conveyer belt does, neutralizes any forward motion applied to the wheels.

Me: So, does Newton's Law of Motion apply here?
Nex: Newton's Laws always apply.

Correct. Which one? I'm an artist, not a mathematician or engineer :-)

This problem poses a hypothetical imaginary situation where, the external force is negated. As ENGINERD94303 says:

Newton's first law: "Objects will continue to move in a state of constant velocity unless acted upon by an unbalanced external force.

The planes velocity is zero. It will stay at zero velocity until the engines are turned on. Now, due to the imaginary, hypothetical conveyer belt, any forward motion generated - and that forward motion is first applied to the body of the plane, then transmitted to the wheels - is automagically negated - the external force is balanced.

No forward motion, no lift.

However, if you assume :-) Newton's Third Law; For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction - the rocket ship example - then the plane will generate forward thrust despite the hypothetically perfect friction free state.

Forward motion yielding lift.

Does thrust on a frictionless surface produce motion?

Imagine a motionless rocket in a vacuum. Ignite the engine it and it will move. Action/Reaction.

Can the airplane engine produce forward momentum on a frictionless surface?

Yes, strictly speaking, because the engine doesn't act at all against the surface, frictionless or not. It acts against the mass of the plane pulling, or pushing, forward, causing the wheels to move (note the instant assumption of friction due to the coupling, bearings, axles, etc.)

But you have an intelligent surface here which detects motion and acts against it, negating any motion of the wheels.

So, does Newton's Law of Motion apply here?

Does thrust on a frictionless surface produce motion?

Yes, the forward motion is not generated by the wheels. Take the wheels, treadmill out of the question.

Imagine the airfoil somehow supported on a frictionless surface so that whatever forward motion is generated by an engine is countered by an opposite motion. Clearly possible in imagination, impossible in real life.

How do you generate the forward motion to create the moving air necessary for lift.

I think that is the circumstance the question intends to generate.

Aaargh.

The forward thrust provides the motion causing air to move over the airfoil. Without the moving air, there is no lift.

More correctly, The thrust provides air moving over the airfoil. If there is no air motion over the airfoil, there is no lift.

Day late and a dollar short.

The wheels and treadmill arrangement are posited so as to instantaneously counteract and eliminate any forward thrust provided by the engine.

If there is no forward motion as a result of thrust, there is no air moving over the airfoil. No moving air, no lift.

Such an ideal frictionless arrangement doesn't exist in Real Life. There will always be friction which can be overcome, and no system can react instantaneously. In real life there will be forward thrust.

I am astounded at the overarching certitude the Chinese seem to have. They are masters of control and planning, no doubt. Look at Shanghai (see recent posts here), banning non-state approved reincarnation, and now the weather. Ah!, the certainty of History, leftover from Marxism. I enjoyed the comment that the Russian's used weather control to avoid Chernobyl fallout.

Is this the weather control the CIA was so paranoid about during the Cold War?

Hubris has Nemesis

Link is broken :-( Not all is racist. I found some good old pictures of Nepal. http://dougrogers.wordpress.com/

Anyone remember Fiorella Tirenzi's Invisible Universe?

Relax... it's just a way to guarantee everyone has a happy flight :-)

Out of pure despair - I have no opinion on Ms Bhutto - but sometimes out of pure despair I wish I could throw an impenetrable force field around the whole of the Middle East, so no one could get out or in and let them solve their problems amongst themselves in whatever way they chose.

They could solve their problems with this eye for an eye stuff for as long as they wanted and the western world cut off from oil would grow up too.

Jonathan, yes, it's animated.

DORAN, the last thing Shanghai is, is anti-capitalist :-)

I loved the giant Coke bottle in that immense pedestrian mall.

A fake bomb, or hoax bomb device must include the intent to defraud or cause alarm.

#31

Put down the gun and walk away
Live to think another day

Sounds like an election debate strategy.

Deeply ironic in light of present politics.

Probably, they later found it in a garbage can, panicked a whole city and blew it to smithereens.

Perhaps Al Gore can use the technique to aid the action against Global Climate change.