Foobar, I forgot nothing.

The environment doesn't decide to warm up based on per capita carbon footprints. The environment doesn't play politics or care about what ifs. It's clear where the overwhelming carbon emissions are coming from.

It AIN'T South Dakota. It's URBAN SPRAWL, and in the East more than anywhere else.

Greg,

Conservation was a way of life in the boonies before most people (Al Gore included) ever thought to put "global" and "warming" together in the same sentence to the tune of Thus Spake Zarathustra.

All of a sudden you and he are the messengers to those who've lived by the principle of the message all their lives?

Hey, you want to see something? Go SEE a carbon footprint map of the United States and compare the carbon output of New York City to the entire state of South Dakota.

The carbon output of New York City is the consequence from a choice, following millions of other choices, to live in a populous urban setting in an industrialized nation that runs on fossil fuels.

There's a reason some people move towards the city and others move away.

If the "apocalypse" is as bad as it sounds, the cities will become dead zones like the abandoned cities of the Maya. Help will not come from the cities; cities will empty LOOKING for help.

I suspect Steffen and his salvation army will be among them.

What do you do when the food stops magically appearing in your grocery stores, and you may actually have to kill something or grow something to live?

Seems to me that if something so bad that it deserves to be called an apocalypse happens to us, then the urban centers will be the worst places to be.

So I wouldn't be counting on any help from New Yorkers, but I may volunteer to come up there and help.

As far as the survivalists, they do understand something that you do not: What you must do to survive in a post apocalyptic world will be determined by the size, strength, and organization of the worst people you meet, NOT by the best people you meet.

We aren't one big happy family now. What makes you think it will be easier to be that when the stresses on everyone will be much greater?

Survival means living in society, but do not forget how bad people can be when society breaks down.

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