I read somewhere a few years ago and I can't recall where, that human infants have an innate fear of heights at birth. They may not innately fear a burning fire and have to learn that fear but that death by falling was "pre-programmed" in the brain.

I am not a psychiatrist either but I would guess that the ritual may have a significant impact on the character of the infant. I suspect that it would make a person better at dissociating experiences.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociation_(psychology)

These code of conduct info came from testimony by several New York Cops and may be outdated.

URL:

http://www.urbanjustice.org/pdf/press/nytimes_22nov99.pdf

This post about someone sleeping somewhere public is really pertinent considering the current housing crisis and predictions of recession and layoffs.

Man sleeps on train tracks

Comcast man naps in customer's house

Man sleeps on fridge

Between 2:30 and 3 a.m., a renegade group of six men and women walked across the street and lay down on the sidewalk. They were issued summonses for disorderly conduct and released

Homeless kids recommends having a book and nice closes and sleeping during the day."

Police reveal their code of conduct: a newspaper that was ''touching their body'' would not
violate the code, but the person could be arrested if the same newspaper was ''one inch away. a person sitting on a park bench with a coat around the shoulders would be in
violation of the section, but would not be in violation if the coat were zipped''

Remember to keep the newspaper touching your body. In any case have a good night tonight.

I agree with Pipenta though. What takes this suicidefood a tranche higher is that it is Bugs Bunny.

Obviously it's one of his contemporary pop-surreal adventures.

What's with all the formula racers?

"I didn't catch that, it really looked to me like you were justifying or making excuses. Sorry about leaping to that conclusion."

Honestly, I don't think you need to apologize. I think you jumped to the right conclusion, the natural conclusion. I was the one rushing into a burning building to try to save the souls of young men. The overarching truth of this massacre, though, was that it was directed towards any woman that was, is, or will be, making her own bid for equality and freedom from oppression. It was about violence against women. There is no doubt about it. So defense was probably the right reaction.

"My therapist would say that I suffer from ptsd, I suppose that is true though I can't see it. "

Incidentally I was going to be diagnosed with dissociative disorder but I resisted because I only wanted to identify my healing by the particulars of my experience and not by a label. I'm not ashamed of that label though. In other forums I coined a term, "survivor-pride" to represent how I feel about myself. Just as a gay person did not choose homosexuality, I did not choose survivor-hood. Therefore there is no sense in feeling anything but the maximum pride in myself about the subject, even if other people feel I should feel the contrary. At the very least there is certainly no reason for shame. Many people have an intuitive avoidance of survivors, probably because of this "higher incidence" truth, so you can't expect to rely on someone else (even if that would help so much). Practicing pride in regard to wellness, is the best approach for me.

"To understand LePine read Why They Kill or the book by the same author. I don't buy the brain damage BS, LePine made a choice. He knew what he was doing."

Thanks for the resource. It was good information to read. I also don't buy brain damage as a cause of murder or murder-suicide. LePine wrote lists and letters before hand. It was pre-meditated.

Also thanks for the survivor resources. I will take a look at that website sometime, even if I don't feel like I need it for myself, I can lend an ear. Too often people go to these forums only when they have a bad day and are seeking support and so they often fill up with an overly dire tone that doesn't even reflect a survivor's day to day variance of experience. I'll try to make my first visit happen on a good day when I am only filled with platonic love for everyone.

Addendum to #39

I do not feel like a fool for caring enough to continue to refine my statements on this subject. I will be happy to apologize and/or to clarify miscontruedly hurtful words a thousand times over if it was required.

For the record, to make it clear, I do not agree with LePine's reasoning or the "many men" I quoted here-->("That in a nutshell I think is the problem that many men have with feminism as they have encountered it. Primarily suffering from violence but being accused of perpetrating it within simplified separatist feminist statements.").

My implication is that they who know the path of reasoning these men follow can then help them if they care to do so. No one is obligated to help anyone.

That is why I said "If you can heal your own then you should consider your life a complete success."

Addendum to #38:

I'm too used to being defensive to think clearly sometimes.

The above stated more simply:

I analyzed how LePine blamed feminism which is not the same as agreeing with him. If there isn't anything further to conclude then there just isn't.

#36 People who blame mass murder on feminsits should disgust you, however I wasn't blaming it on feminists. I'm sorry if I didn't refine my statements sufficiently to assure you of that.

Perhaps it would have been best to not attempt to talk about the two subjects of LePine's mass murder and post#22 attempt to define a criticism of some early executions of feminism in the same block of text.

I may have attempted to talk sympathetically about pre-murdering LePine just as I would have just as comfortably attempted to talk about pre-murdering Aileen Wuornos if that helps you understand that I do not wish you to feel the hurt and anger you feel.

"LePine was brutalized by his father and then as so often happens became an abuser himself. He is responsible, no one else."

I will admit that I have been abused. Are you telling me that I will do the same and I am only to blame? I have not done the same. Though I have suffered much victim-blaming and I work on healing that much more than from the actual abuse. My guess is that the same goes for you.

I also apologize for this comment because the amount of necessary qualification for each statement made makes this intractable reading. Perhaps that is why we restict this discourse, or any discourse in the face of so much pain.

@22. I think you are trying to frame an issue but this isn't it. You are trying to elucidate a form of gender separatism that is harmful but "labels" is not the route.

For one thing whether or not one is a gender or a human first should not be the issue. There will always be an inter change of precedences as contexts change. Gender differences exist. They will always exist. Gender similarities exist. They will always exist.

It's not easy to attempt to sympathize with a mass murderer, even more so one that borders on hateful to a particular gender or identity. Obviously the murders should not be excused but heartily condemned. However I think you are attempting to sympathize, perhaps, with the pre-murdering LePine and I think that is acceptable, personally.

Here's my opinion on the suffering of pre-murderer LePine.

A. He is victim of violence from another man.

B. He doesn't receive sympathy from his mother for whatever reason.

C. He doesn't believe he receive sympathy from feminists even though they are anti-violence. In fact he may be told that "via culture, men are the cause of violence" and therefore by a rightful or wrongful experience of overly simplified separatist logic then he, being a man, is the cause of the violence he was victimized by, ergo he is suicidal.

D. He equates the primary pain of the lack of sympathy from his mother for the violence he has experienced with that of feminists and thus projects it upon them. As feminism grows in popularity in society so then society in general is poised against him for it's "callousness" to his suffering from violence.

That in a nutshell I think is the problem that many men have with feminism as they have encountered it. Primarily suffering from violence but being accused of perpetrating it within simplified separatist feminist statements.

One immediate example, I just read was in the wikipedia entry about this massacre. Since I had never heard of it I just read the entry. I noticed there was a section when the teenage boys that were victims of LePine were also accused of "not acting" to protect the women and were thus called co-conspirators. It was really painful to read that.

In any case, its just best to remember that there area lot of differet wounds for many different kinds of people to heal. If you can heal your own then you should consider your life a complete success. Then you'd be in the best position to prescribe as well.

We compete to provide the most efficient use of resources, I agree. We have learned to recursively do this in terms of interrelationships as well, or stated another way compete to operate in a community. It is easy enough to understand.

The recursive competition seems to lead to a paradox though. Are we competing to root out competitiveness?

Maybe we are always going to compete at brinkmanship, always competing to reduce our competitiveness in order to be a community or social force without ever actually losing our competitive edge?

So for those who know..

What is the inevitable result if the rich get richer and the poor get poorer? From a rich person's perspective is there anything not to like about this situation continuing in perpetuity? Is it inflation that will occur if all poor people join the military , go to jail, die, or descend into drugs and violence? Or is that nirvana for rich people?

@BUGS: I think posters are more interested in the disruptive aspects of this, and any, new scientific discovery rather than the constructive aspects. Disruption presents the greater risk and reward.

If we are taking this to a your level, critically, then I have to admit I don't know whether it can have a "positive" effect or not. I fear the damage meth can do to the dopamine pathways in the brain. I even fear for nicotine's brain altering influences. I would be more excited about neuroplasticity therapies, rather than drugs that clean up a current dose.

In case you think it is the right thing to do you can open an account on E-Trade.. or with Barclays and hold it in a different curency. I've looked into it but I'd rather keep my money in looking for market bottoms. I'm pretty sure it will get easier to keep other currencies with more financial firms though. The value of that market has become obvious to more people. I would watch for currency/commodity bubbles.

If you are keeping money in a different currency you still have to use dollars to buy American goods, I doubt with oil permanently above $100 that shipping will be cheap enough to make buying overseas worth buying goods in a different currency. However if you find yourself on the other side of the shipping cargo gaps you can probably get great deals. Shipping containers to China from America are supposedly extremely cheap (since they are going there empty anyway) but you are right back to buying American goods. Still following this logic you may be able to find the ideal of buying in a strengthening currency and cheap shipping. Canada?

Does this mean legalized meth?

That suks. Half my comment got eaten. I'm not sure I'm going to rewrite that.

Boo.

Zuzu, information is more liquid now too, because we are exchanging even right now, but the datum that is the simplest possible "full" explanation will travel the best and I think you are doing a great job by using analogies to that end.

I probably possess

I admit I am a neophyte so I don't understand how liquidity is negative either. My understanding is that liquidity helps a market find more fine grained prices so that it in turns undergoes fewer corrections like the pH balance one's you mention. Is that an inaccurate understanding? How does liquidity become artificial? If more liquidity causes the dollar to sink then doesn't that mean that the dollar's value was inflated but not deflating fast enough previous to the new liquidity? I'm just trying to wrap my head around these contradictions.

I'm an adult and I'm hella dextrous from a lifetime of video games. I've been playing longer. Just saying.

The argument does go around and around doesn't it?

You are callous if you let it happen. You are a meddler if you don't.

Just remember,that in the end of the day you and I didn't cause the Sharia court to kill this young man.

I enjoy freedom of speech in the US and I think it is good that there is outrage over this because international pressure may help the politicians act more lenient on the prisoner.

While I agree that people living under Sharia may enjoy our standard of living a bit more because we are more conducive to continuously trying to support diversity. The diversity of cultures and opinions go hand in hand here, though generally it is the case provided that there are interest groups to help us find the way. However that promise is always there that you can make it academic first, then political, and finally it will part of the fabric of this country as the people themselves self-correct. It's remarkable actually!

What I don't agree with is the quality of the prescriptions for a remedy for people suffering unjustly under Sharia. Logically we would never have more control than if we simply took power. But since we live in a post-colonial era we try to give power to the internal groups that we like.

We can only do as well to change a country, as there are internal political-sized groups in that country interested in that change. That's it. That's the bottom line.

Both of those mugs, I believe, are Depression Glass. very hobo literati.

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