Im completely baffled by this post.
Deeply affected I'm looking forward to the complete version of the interview!

seems to me the video has been taken down...

as opposed to the 3000kWh the average european household uses... pfft... americans ;-)

@40 what about to adress next week? ;-)

i find it most impressive that this machine was build by a woman who constructed her first very own oscillograph at the age of 14.
You may have to be a bit autistic to get such things done but this doesn't reduces the achievement...

BEAUTIFUL!
A shame that I'm not high *g*
#1s use of the word haunting is exactly how I felt.
#5 I think the casette player 'has the song in it'.
so it might be a remix...

#38
On the one side I agree with you to some degree:
1. The awareness of yourself as an entity is an illusion.

2. The sense of I is something we MAYBE cannot create in the lab.

3. We cannot know.

On the other side I don't agree on some other points.
For example I really think that the Gedankenexperiment of zombies holds for consciousness and my standard for consciousness is that I only know of myself to have. That doesn't make me a solipsist, it's just the way it's defined.

And AGAIN. I don't say that a 'machine' can not have consciousness. I don't say a machine can have consciousness. I say, we YET cannot say wether a machine can have consciousness, because there's no REAL theory of consciousness.

I don't really know what creationism has to do with all this. It's not worthy of discussion in this context. Speaking of 'things not scientific':
To come to see 'wants' as something you can overcome, you wouldn't have to consult Dennett, that's something Freud already said... ;-)

We really are just windup toys in the sense that there is a level on which both, physics and consciousness supervene.
--> An exact replica of the brain is a brain. A silicon implementation of the brain would be sth else exhibiting similar functionality.

--> It is also possible that neuronal level is not enough. See for example the 'quantum neurodynamics' approach.

I'm just saying: I chose to become a Neuroscientist because I'm aware of the fact that I will be able to find sth work to for MANY MANY more decades without getting bored.

@#33

Ah, so you agree we COULD build a conscious machine, you just doubt we're smart enough to understand consciousness!
I didn't say that, although (now) I really doubt that we're smart enough to understand consciousness.
The point is that it might be possible to build a machine that behaves like you do but doesn't have consciousness. (That's Chalmers' point when talking about zombies.)

Let's see what Google turns up... Hmmm, not good...
I was aware of this paper, read it, don't agree on ALL points, but one should shurely read it! But to dismiss Chalmers argument that a zombie is logically possible, just because there are none is simply ignorant, because we CAN NOT KNOW wether there are none!

But if you read more than one science article you have to agree that no single researcher has all the answers.
Chalmers main achievement is that he put the debate in an intelligent framework. To put forward a theory of consciousness like Dennet did is just immoderate at our point of knowledge and Chalmers tells you why

@#23
IMHO Dennett got it wrong.
A perfect computational model of your brain might behave exacly like you but there's nothing that tells us why it should be accompanied by consciousness. And there can't be any theory about that (yet). As long as we didn't solve the 'easy problem' we cannot even remotely touch the 'hard problem' of consciousness. That's the reason why I stick with research

@rest
Read Chalmers 'The Conscious Mind' it's the best book in this area.

Yeah I'm so happy to live in Netherlands and Germany. This is just UNTHINKABLE here.

Especially the case of the liverpatient.
UNTHINKABLE!

Mein Pupi ist das BESTE Pupi der Welt!

Terrorists are.

I just can't hear (read) it anymore! Steampunk here, steampunk there.... I mean the work is awesome, bt th wrd gvs m ysr!

WTF?
I find it offensive that you actually call all europeans who buy consumer electronics morons.

Like any neologisms, steampunk will always be used in different ways by different people. Think eg. about 'hacking' or 'metal'. These words are always defined by the people who called their own things that way and used by the rest in a way similar to the original meaning.
It will need some more years to come to a definite conclusion. Maybe factorial analysis will help... (science, yeah!)

Sort it out folks, I'm fed up! Don't wanna read the word 'steampunk' next to any copper looking thing with electronics in it.

From the psychological perspective, this is an excellent tracklist for torturing people because it includes a lot of tracks which serve specific functions. Some are glorifying the USA, some diminish the defeated (prisoner) while yet anotherone just produce auditive 'overload' far away from pleasant. Every single one works in another way. I can imagine with some experimentation, this playlist is a horrifying instrument if in the wrong hands.

I wonder what the artists would say if they knew that their songs are used for torture. Can't somebody ask them?

Is this method of writing down recepies common in parts of asia? Might be interesting for cognitive science. If you have any interesting on this subject please tell me about it! martin@wondering-scientists.net

Oh yes, and to forecome any misconceptions:
I don't share any aspect of Rajas thinking or of anybody like him. (If that hasn't become clear enough for everybody.)

I live in germany and I can tell: He can be lucky that he didn't get LYNCH-ED! HA HA!
For people here this is REALLY a delicate issue. You can't say such things...

Seriously, I think that if you are at a certain level of transcendental whatsitsname, it's all argueing about semantics. Those people should be really careful how to verbalize their 'visions'...

What if the clock shows 1? What does he do then? And Mark, what's with you and time, anyway?
Personally, I don't think one should worry too much about time. It won't stop... ;-) 'Only the unlimited clear space of mind is lasting and nobody knows how long conditions will remain for recognizing that.'

Have a good time ;-)

What if the clock shows 1? What does he do then? And Mark, what's with you and time, anyway?
Personally, I don't think one should worry too much about time. It won't stop... ;-) 'Only the unlimited clear space of mind is lasting and nobody knows how long conditions will remain for recognizing that.'

Have a good time ;-)