@ #6 (Mozcom)

"Well I was going to play Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life but now it's unoriginal and I can't do it :("

Meh, It kinda depends on your (sub)culture. I'm from the whole Christian USA conservative (mostly) subculture, born in the middle of the 80s. So if I die, say, before my parents do, playing said song would definitely be a first-time-ever-even-hearing-it for a lot of people present. But if I die old, said song might be passe.

Well, I'm assuming that the starting line is where I am located right now, as opposed to where my ancestors are from. I would hope this is the case. After falling about 15 feet onto the Sonora Desert floor (I am on the second level of the house) I would check to see if anything was broken and be verifying that I hadn't landed on anything with spines, venom, or other things that could hurt or kill me. If all was well, i'd do everything possible to avoid those critters that could kill me, as nighttime is when the desert is most awake. Then I'd wait for dawn and scope out the place, and make myself a huge hat to keep the sun off. I would hope that I'd find humans (most likely, Hohokam) fast. If they did not kill me on sight, i'd quickly make myself useful with whatever kind of work the other ladies are doing. If accepted into the group, i'd work hard, and make myself useful.

Reminds me of my own parents. They were and are amazing, amazing parents, but they could have their triksy moments. My brother and I hated eating onions, but they liked the things. We would frequently ask "What does this have in it?" to avoid consuming them. In order to avoid lying, but also to not go to the rediculous lengths of making two portions without them, they would call onions "Aromatic vegetables." It worked, we ate our dinner! But I'm not too sure that I would do that to my kids.

There was a Marvin comic on this very subject this past Sunday. Marvin, all of two and a half years old or so, is running an advice column in front of a computer for his fellow toddlers. Another kid writes in lamenting that his/her mommy is making him give up his/her pacifier/dummy, yet s/he has no desire to do so. Marvin writes back telling the kid that said child should give it up as soon as mommy quits using chocolate.

@#31 Vorlon et al:
It is kinda quirky to read the phrase "playing God." Thus far, it has been impossible for a human to create something literally out of nothing. Once humans can achieve this by their own power, then we can say that we are playing God. But so far, all we can do is manipulate the matter and energy already created. That said, we are perfectly capable of honoring or dishonoring The Creator with what that Creator made, since we are given that option. And He* has let us know what He* is pleased and peeved by. (*He mostly self-identifies as male.)

Anyway, as for me, so long as all animal life involved is taken as painlessly as possible and human tissue is used with educated consent of the person behind that tissue, I myself see nothing wrong with doing things like this. I do not know what the Creator feels about it, and I don't know the artist that made this nor why he did. I'm not gonna judge him, because that is *not* my job.

Link

So long as you are literate in English, and have a decent internet connection, you can help get rice where it is needed most. Click the link above, oh, say, now-ish.

/why are you still reading this?

I have found something that helps for this, as it happens all the time on sites I use. After you are done typing a comment, copy it. Then press Post/Send/et c. If the commnet posts, then the copying is in vain, but if it does not work and going back erases what you typed, you can just past it back in and try again.

/actually doing that for this post, hold on...

"...and Jobs himself axed official Mac clones when he returned to the company."

Don't I know it! My father was one of the ones sent to Cupertino to negotiate with The Powers That Be at Apple. After the axing, Apple products weren't so appealing anymore in our household. To this day, they still aren't. We truly aren't bitter about it or nor will you see us storming anyone/anything in Cupertino, but I won't use anything from Apple unless I spent no money on it whatsoever.

Um, I was probably watching that at the same that Ms. Jardin posted it, so kick, replies, et c.

However, I would maintain that this is the best Rickroll-Tayroll out there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=777I2GXqvpE

Consider it your final course of immunization.

@ License Farm but that's not the question he asked
He also did not ask of anyone had relatives that might have a chance at living to be 107, either.

@ Noen:
I am have sorrow, bitterness, and anger at your situation. I am hoping that your family reunites, and never again returns to where it is. Wish there was a way for me to influence this reunion.

@ Mr Frauenfelder's Grandmother:
A very happy birthday to you. May your wisdom inform all those that you meet, May you be graced with more time to impart that wisdom, and may you always be surrounded with Phileo- and Agapao-love.

An accurate description, Mr. Doctorow, thank you for sharing this.
Takuan, i like your selection of poetry. One of the things i'd like to do before going "into that good night" is see Geraint Wyn Davies' rendition of it, even a recording would suffice.

Mott_NY:
Your account has saddened me; that someone would do that is horrible, and like everyone else here, I hope for it to stop. Thank you for sharing your story, and also for educating us on the process of adoption. If you would like, I can translate to English the Prensa Libre article you linked to for all here to read.

To everyone:
Please do not stereotype all Christians or their adoption agencies by the actions of this one. I am in the process of devoting the rest of my life to this kind of work, even my handle states this, so this is very personal. It seems only obvious that any organization bearing the name of Christ would want to behave in a way that honors Him and His people, but this, if this is true, is nothing but an embarrasment. The one I plan on working with works is more of a group foster home than an adoption agency, and the government places and removes the children, which hurts if the workers had bonded with the kids. Any barriers put up are for the safety of the kids and the property, and family are welcome, so long as the visit is beneficial to the child. Hiding the identity of a child or his/her parents is never appropriate, though some children come in without so much as a name, so a culturally appropriate one is given, usually by the government, not the organization. This is how I wish all of these would function. So please, do not judge all of them by the actions of a few.

Takuan, (was wondering where you were)
Some police forces allow for the hiring of a few officers for events like this. The prices are higher than temporary security, but some organizations consider it worth it. Looks like that is the case here. In this case, because this is on private property, the screenerscan permit or forbid anyone from coming without violating Mr. Myers' legay rights. That being said, I think it is just as rediculous as everyone else here that they did this. As long as Mr. Myers doesn't yell "Fire" or anything, he ought to have been welcomed in, and even then, I'd have done so. And I agree wigh the moviemakers! Again, fellow BoingBoing fans, please do not judge us all by the tomfoolery of a few, okay?

Takuan, (was wondering where you were)
Some local police forces will allow organizations to hire out officers for special events, usually crowd control, et c. The fees are usually high, but some organizations prefer actual police to rentd security. This was probably the case here. Because it is a screening on private property, they can allow or forbid anyone from entering the theater, and still be within their rights without breaching the rights of Mr. Myers. That being said, I think this was just as rediculous as anyone else here. Provided that Mr. Myers is capable of maintaining good behavior at events like this, there is no reason for forbidding his entrance at all. And as you well know, I support the ideas of this film! Again, all BoingBoing fans, please don't judge us all by the tomfoolery of a few, okay?

Wow. I've used about 1/3 of the things shown or sang about in this video, and used to be a fan of them. And I did and do appreciate how easy it is to use special characters & symbols for other languages on the things (Claris anyone?). But since a close family member has done a lot of business for future ventures with the fellas of Cupertino, only to have it all erased six months later due to change of CEO, it is a little difficult to be a fan now.

Bunnyman2112/Andrew-
Oh, about 2-3 weeks before *that* day happened I left HI for AZ with my father's old boyscout knife on my person. There was no security save for an unnattended metal detector doing its thing. I'd never try that sort of thing now, but I see how you could get through carrying that with you.
Wonder if being on BoingBoing gets you on the "naughty" list? I'm gona be taking to the skies soon, so we'll see...

Takuan my dear,
First, thank you for (implicitly, at least) not painting ALL Christians with the EVIL!!!DIE IN A FIRE!!!11ty1 sprayer. Though they are my brothers and sisters, it doesn't mean that it's right to judge our whole family on their actions. I'm pretty sure you get that, and it's nice that you do.
Just listened to all painful two minutes forty-nine seconds of what she had to say. If you still want to do pretty much what she did, but this time against Christians, here is your target, offer still stands. Although it is my brothers and sisters referred to above who should hear it so they'll stop, I'm okay with taking it myself. Again, I promise, you won't cause any wounds that can't be healed, and I'll still value you in agapao and phileo.
Have a good day!
Oh, offer is good for all here, but Takuan is on stone #1, ok?

Takuan @ #63 said:
(I'm secretly hoping a rabid true believer will savage us here soon - I'm dying to try out "sallykerning")

While I'm not at all rabid, I do truly believe in YHWH and His plan for His creation. It is my "thing" to tell this story always, but it does it, me, or those listening no good if I'm a jerk, idiot, et c. while telling it. I'm part of what the (Roman) Catholic church now calls "seperated bretheren." I like this new list, but would list it backwards myself. I'd also get out the word about what Saul/Paul meant when writing 1 Corintians 7. I also don't really see anything wrong with avoiding like the plague the things on the first list. So what is this "sallykerning" you speak of? If it would help you to "get it out" (whatever it is), go ahead and do it to me.

Sounds pretty cool. I have a very close friend who has been becoming more and more deaf as she has aged- I believe she finally got declared legally deaf at 21. It is much more difficult to be hard of hearing than deaf, but that is beside the point. In any case, because of that, I'm all about having good fire alarms in place for Deaf people. When the alarm went off in our dorm room, I was her alarm, letting her know that the rest of us were hearing an annoying sound. Had she been in the room alone and the door closed (blinky light in hall might have gotten her attention, plus everyone else leaving), it is likely that no one would have come. Was always scared that it would sound in the middle of the night, and I would be too deeply asleep to hear it.
My only concern with something like this deals with allergies. If you are going to shove copius amounts of some irritant in the air, it would be a good idea that it won't close in anyone's airway while you are at it.

Sounds pretty cool. I have a very close friend who has been becoming more and more deaf as she has aged- I believe she finally got declared legally deaf at 21. It is much more difficult to be hard of hearing than deaf, but that is beside the point. In any case, because of that, I'm all about having good fire alarms in place for Deaf people. When the alarm went off in our dorm room, I was her alarm, letting her know that the rest of us were hearing an annoying sound. Had she been in the room alone and the door closed (blinky light in hall might have gotten her attention, plus everyone else leaving), it is likely that no one would have come. Was always scared that it would sound in the middle of the night, and I would be too deeply asleep to hear it.
My only concern with something like this deals with allergies. If you are going to shove copius amounts of some irritant in the air, it would be a good idea that it won't close in anyone's airway while you are at it.

@ Calabanos:
*headdesk* I'm thankful that law did not exist when I was 6 (1991). Otherwise I would have had a record before I left 6th grade, and I'll tell you why. I attended a larger "inner city" school in Phoenix. Day in and day out life was miserable because the other children bullied me, and the school did nothing about it, I suspect because those children's parents/legal guardians could have been gang members. About once a year I'd physically defend myself, and I'd be in the prinipal's office for it. Yup, because the school is bullied by the gang community, I had to be bullied too. Because that is a great model of justice for school children. Now, I've unloaded all that mental baggage long ago, but it does not mean that my back and palms don't have calluses.

Note to (Arizona) schools: If you really are interested in maintaining and teaching justice, do it. "Sticks and stones" AND words are weapons, so get rid of them. And quit looking the other way when injustice happens, even if the perpetrator's parental units happen to be bullies themselves. Decide which behaviors shall not occur on your campus and enforce the rules against such behaviors, instead of making rules that prohibit appropriate behavior.

Sorry for the rant, BoingBoing creators and readers, I know you all alredy know this. My home state it seems not so much.

...I wonder if they make sure all of the present Professors and Adjuncts uphold that promise while teaching, given the large, diverse group of teachers that they have...
/just a thought...

To everyone else posting here:
basing off of Noen's idea:
"You are of course welcome to believe whatever you please. Just don't call it science, call it what it is, faith."
and Lautaylo's:
"Listen, I think it's great if your Christian beliefs help you to be a better person, and to treat others well. I, for one, don't need those beliefs to be good and do good. I take issue at religion being pushed into the science classroom because it doesn't belong there."
I have no issue with that and do call my foundation faith. But that faith must be shown in my behavior, and this does include how I view the origin of all that I see. While I would think it neat if the idea could be taught that the origin(s) of all that we can see weren't solely random circumstances, you won't ever see me picketing or writing my congress people for it. But here's the thing: If I belive that a Soverign, unchanging good God created all that I can see, and gave me as His agent the task of caring for it, I have no other choice but to do so to my most excellent ability. This means that I must care for the environment and it is my duty to be loving and to value all the people I see, regardless of their behavior. And God is good, so to represent Him is being good.

Takuan,
Thank you as well. You have also provoked a lot of thought in me, and caused me to look into things quite well. I appreciate you, and how you have caused this provocation.
Please don't paint all Chrisians with such a broad brush. While it is part of our faith to "go and make disciples", and this we are to do regarless of the hazards it would bring us, we are to never, ever, ever cause harm on those that do not want to be disciples, or anyone, for that matter. Whenever a Christian causes this harm, we *all* suffer from it. (800 years and we scrached the surface so far...) And although my more fundamental bretheren disagree, I don't want "a world comprised entirely of" my "own", at least, not until YHWH makes it so. I know that doesn't really tend to mesh with the whole "disciples" idea, but I have noticed that in amy given community that Christians are the majority, all of them get lazy and "bubbled", and that's not at all what Christ wants for His representatives. Thank you again!

@ Takuan (59): Dear Anonymous:

How do you reconcile your professed organized religion with evolutionary theory? Please be at ease in your answer,this is not a trap. Teresa would hurt me too badly to risk such.

Ok, I'm not this "Anonymous" person. But I am also a Christian who is okay with the idea of evolutionary theory. (But have never been homeschooled in this sense) And I don't mind if this is a trap, can't hold me anyway.
So here's the deal: In the Genesis creation account, the word for "Day" can also mean "Age". Do you know the phrase "Back in the day..."? Same kind of idea, in later Biblical texts prophecy ts given where one day is a year. (See last few chapters of Daniel.) Now also in this account, pretty much all of the light-producing or reflecting objects of the sky are formed... on the *fourth* day. As we know from psychological tests, take these (and timekeeping devices) away from humans, and it is a little hard for those humans to tell time anymore. Now if they simply don't exist yet, how am I somehow given the authority to declare those first three days literal 24 hour days? Even then, how dare I pretend to know just how and when YHWH created? But what I do know is this: am I to believe that all of the "building blocks" of life just came together, without any cause or causer, despite the incalcuable odds? Now *that's* what bothers most Christians. Remember that pretty much everything in the Bible is about how God works in human history, not so much the natural world. (though He does a little of that too)
now Takuan, I'm not sure why "organized religion" (especially Chrisianity, it seems) frustrates you so. If it is anything any Christian did, I apologize, we Christians need to u-turn away from these things. Forgive us, and know that I Agapao and Phileo you.
Have a good day, and goodnight!

Book of Job, chapter 38-40.
Book of Genesis, entire creation account.
The creation account was written to indicate that YHWH made all that humans can see, so humans really have no business worshipping it, but they do have to care for some of it. Note how God goes at length describing His dealings with one group of people in His book, but the way He set the stage? Meh, couple of chapters. So why do some of His people spend their time and energy on arguing stuff like this? Besides, where were they when God made it all, as if they know exactly how He made it?
/Really wishes my brothers and sisters would use their thinking caps.

Wow! Thank you for putting this here, I was wanting to have some good online reading in Spanish to have more practice. Hooray bilingualism!!!