Wouldn't 1990-born kids be the class of 2012?

2011 graduates were born in 88-89.

@jm365098

I don't care that you're a troll.

I'm tired of people hiding behind 9/11. The overwhelming majority of you have no connection to 9/11. You personally do not know anyone who was there or witness it yourself. Your only idea of the scale of what happened that day are some news clips on Fox News. Yet you keep on championing it around as an excuse to do whatever you please in the world.

Do you know what the mood in New York City was that day? It was somber. We had become greedy and ignorant and we paid a dear price. But there was also resolve. Not for revenge but to rebuild, to get back to normal and show those maniacs that they could not change us with chaos and destruction. We held firm and said "you do not scare us."

I think Michael Moran, a member of NYFD, put it best. In the Concert for New York, he yelled on national television, "Osama Bin Laden, you can kiss my royal Irish ass." He didn't say "Osama Bin Laden, I'm going to come and tear your fucking head off." No this man, who lost his brother and 12 colleagues, said that the terrorists did not frighten him. They weren't going to change him and they were insignificant to him.

Rudy Giuliani recently came to Yankee Stadium and was unanimously booed by the crowd multiple times. He's hated in New York City because of what he's done with 9/11. We don't like him and we don't like you. So stop showing off our city's pain like a trophy. We don't want any part in the War on Terror and I'm sure the vast majority of those who gave their lives on that awful day wouldn't either. What you are doing is not "sticking up" for the dead. You are being disrespectful and marginalizing their sacrifice by using their deaths as a reason to change the very thing they gave their lives for.

@Osinoche

Torture is most assuredly NOT a part of Christianity. In fact violence towards your neighbor is exactly the opposite of what Christianity originally intended. What it is is a complete distortion of Christian values into extreme ideals. Kind of like a religion you apparently loathe: Islam.

>But just because one such as yourself is to squeamish to see the truth. To see the light of day, that an enemy such as the Mid Easter Menace, must be eradicated. Every child either re memed or erased. Ideals, Islam in it's less moderate force must be stamped Out.

You are a hypocrite. Extremist Christian views are perfectly legitimate but extremist Islamic views are justification for treating people like dogs.

Also I do not understand your justification for torture. Protect freedom and the western way of life? Torture doesn't protect freedom, it installs fear and doubt among people. Lowering ourselves to the barbaric level of our "enemy" doesn't exactly help preserve the western way of life either.

@RealCatholicMen, Osinoche and all others trying to justify this. I don't care if you are trolls or not.

I remember watching TV before the invasion of Iraq. News reporters talked on and on about the torture chambers of Saddam Hussein. They condemned his sadistic methods to gain information and install fear into rebels, insurgents and others who opposed his rule. I remember it was a big point in the American justification towards the war.

I am utterly amazed by the perversion of your values. Torture does not "preserve" the western way. The western way is civilized society. The western way is treating people justly and fairly, even if they are the most vile people on earth. These torturous methods reduce us, what is supposed to be the shining light of equality and freedom, to the levels of the terrorists we loathe.

And the fanciful idea that these methods actually gain any important information is cute. The reality is that these methods gain little to no useful information because anyone will say anything when they are subjected to endless amounts of torture and the threat of death. Any possible true information is washed away in a sea of lies from countless forced confessions.

As for the torture one terrorist or save 1000 situation. How many foreign terrorist attacks on the US soil have happened in the past ten years? one. If we stop torturing people the floodgates are not going to open and we will descend into chaos. But tell me, what happens when that one terrorist is released? He tells one, ten, a hundred people what we did to him. Those people, angry at us, tell more and more. The circle of hate stretches. You know what that leads to? That leads to chaos in US-Ally Pakistan and a nuke headed for Israel. Despite what 24 tells you, torture does have lots of negative consequences.

Also anyone who claims that this is not painful has apparently never had to do anything like this in their life. I had to do a similar activity for athletics in high school. It's complete hell and I didn't have to do it for hours on end.

I live in New York City. I was here on 9/11 and I watched the towers fall. I come from a family of paramedics and firefighters. I lost friends and much of my family spent hours sorting through the debris at Ground Zero. My heart hurts for the scar left on our nation, but this is not the way to seek justice.

I like the story under the Dick of the Month section in which a cop complains that he wasn't let go by another cop for a DWI. To make things better, he then has 5 cop-buddies testify for him in court that he didn't look drunk that night because he claims that he doesn't deserve to lose his license.

Great system there.