Bah... property is theft :-).

What Olympic values?

They've slapped a brand label on the ass of every athlete in the games... and as for the torch pass, as we all know, it was begun by the Nazis in 1936.

During the Cold War, it was a soap box to champion our various ideologys (Communism v. Capitalism.)

It is a giant ***king commercial, a propaganda piece... that we're still pretending it is imbued with meaning is the real problem here.

Elimiate team sports and have the athletes compete naked... then we'll talk about "Olympic values."

Science has the advantage that it is based upon evidence.

The goal here is not to convert the evangelicals... it is to move the middle. People have been given a deep and abiding respect for positions held without evidence (things believed on faith), for 'spiritual' values, and for the truth(yness) of the Bible.

"Those guys beat their wives, carry the clap, and your book advocates genocide" isn't aimed at persuading evangelicals-- they already know the Bible approves of genocide in Numbers 31 and indicates women are dirt all over the place. The aim is to dispel the undeserved respect these institutions hold. (Could anything other than a religion get away with the serial abuse found in the Catholic Church?)

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